Interview

ChinaTalk's Jordan Schneider: Trump tariffs, immigration policy, and why the US is unready for drone warfare

Jun 2, 2025 with Jordan Schneider

Key Points

  • The US procurement system cannot match the innovation tempo of Ukraine's battlefield drone warfare, where Chinese components still dominate supply chains on both sides of the conflict.
  • International student enrollment and research funding are contracting simultaneously, threatening universities that depend on foreign tuition to subsidize American students and NSF-funded labs.
  • Restricting work authorization for STEM graduates through OPT rollback removes a core incentive for international talent to study in the US without expanding domestic pipeline capacity.
ChinaTalk's Jordan Schneider: Trump tariffs, immigration policy, and why the US is unready for drone warfare

Summary

Jordan Schneider, who runs ChinaTalk, makes a pointed case that the US is walking into a new era of drone warfare badly unprepared — and that its own immigration and research policies are making the technology gap worse.

Drone warfare

The Ukraine conflict has compressed years of military innovation into months. Fiber-optic drones, counter-drone cables, electronic warfare countermeasures — the iteration cycle is running at battlefield speed, driven by the reality that soldiers are dying. The US procurement machine was never built for that tempo. The MRAP story from Iraq is the reference point: even a non-peer adversary like al-Qaeda exposed how slowly American logistics could respond to a new threat. Against a peer competitor, that lag becomes existential.

The supply chain problem is already embedded. Chinese-made components are powering drones on both sides of the Ukraine conflict. After the Skydio battery ban, there is presumably a wave of US startups working on domestic drone batteries — but the dependency runs deep enough that a Thiel-backed defense tech startup's sourcing is still considered a sensitive question in group chats.

Schneider calls a DJI executive order within two months likely.

Immigration and research funding

The more unforced damage, in Schneider's view, is happening in university policy. The Trump administration is threatening to revoke Harvard's ability to enroll international students — a legally uncertain move, but one that would gut a research institution that sits at the center of American science output. CS programs at top universities run over 70% foreign-born students not because of ideology but because domestic pipeline supply simply isn't there. Hard sciences are grueling and underpaid relative to software, and American secondary education isn't going to close that gap quickly.

Two levers are tightening simultaneously. On the demand side, international students now have to price in real uncertainty about whether they can finish a program or stay afterward. On the supply side, the NSF is spending roughly half its authorized budget, and universities including Johns Hopkins, Harvard, and Penn are absorbing billions in cuts — with layoffs and reduced research output following.

The proposed rollback of OPT — the program that gives STEM graduates three years of blanket work authorization without needing an H-1B sponsor — would remove one of the clearest incentives for international talent to study in the US at all. There are roughly 500,000 foreign students currently enrolled, and outside a handful of schools with billion-dollar endowments, international tuition is what keeps many universities financially viable. Restricting that flow doesn't open more slots for Americans; it removes the subsidy that funds American students' lower tuition.

University reform

Schneider draws a line between humanities and hard sciences when it comes to the value of the institutional structure. A history major might get equivalent intellectual development from the books alone. A biophysicist cannot become one without a lab and a supervisor. The argument that AI emerged outside academia doesn't hold up on close inspection — most authors on the Attention Is All You Need transformer paper hold PhDs, and most of those PhDs were funded by the NSF. During AI winters, when industry walked away, government-funded university research kept the field alive.

If he were wielding a stick as education secretary, Schneider says, he'd require universities to spend down a percentage of their endowment annually as a condition of tax eligibility — which would push them to expand class sizes rather than guard selectivity for its own sake.

Chinese AR

Briefly, Schneider flags Chinese AR hardware as worth watching. Where Meta consolidated the US market and crowded out startups, China has six or seven companies actively exploring different hardware configurations — where to put the battery, whether the display needs to be on the glasses — with consumer products priced between $300 and $600. Rokid is one name he highlights.

Book recommendation

Schneider recommends The Party's Interests Come First by Joseph Torigian, a biography of Xi Zhongxun — Xi Jinping's father — tracing his arc from joining the Communist Party at 15 in 1926 through the Cultural Revolution, when the family's status collapsed. Schneider frames it as a rare, archive-level window into Chinese elite politics and the formative trauma that shapes Xi Jinping's worldview.