Interview

Upstart CEO Dave Girouard: triple-digit growth, but US consumer stress is at multi-year highs

Aug 13, 2025 with Dave Girouard

Key Points

  • Upstart posted triple-digit revenue growth but saw its stock sell off, a disconnect CEO Dave Girouard attributes to macro anxiety rather than business weakness.
  • Consumer credit stress across cards, auto, student, and mortgage lending hits multi-year highs, with default rates now at their highest levels since before COVID.
  • Girouard expects Google, Apple, or Meta to eventually request agent-level loan application access on behalf of consumers, and is building that capability proactively.
Upstart CEO Dave Girouard: triple-digit growth, but US consumer stress is at multi-year highs

Summary

Upstart reported triple-digit revenue growth in its most recent earnings, yet the stock sold off anyway — a dynamic CEO Dave Girouard attributes to broader macro anxiety rather than any weakness in the business itself.

Upstart's model and differentiation

Upstart operates as an AI-driven consumer lending marketplace, matching borrowers with banks, credit unions, and private credit providers. Founded 13 years ago, the company didn't publicly describe its work as machine learning or AI until 2017, well before the generative AI wave made the terminology mainstream. Girouard draws a sharp distinction between Upstart's approach and LLM-based AI: the platform's models are trained entirely on proprietary data generated by its own loan origination activity, not on external corpora. That closed-loop data advantage is central to its underwriting edge.

For commodity tasks — extracting structured information from documents, for example — Upstart is now willing to buy off-the-shelf capabilities built on top of foundation models rather than build in-house, specifically when the economics are comparable. The strategic filter is simple: ride someone else's cost curve on commodities, build internally where the differentiation is durable.

Agentic distribution is the next frontier

Girouard, an eight-year Google veteran before founding Upstart, expects Google, Apple, or Meta to eventually approach lenders requesting agent-level loan application access on behalf of consumers. His stated preference is to build that capability proactively rather than react to platform pressure. The company is actively developing agentic workflows that go beyond loan mechanics — helping consumers evaluate whether borrowing is the right decision at all, and identifying the optimal product if it is.

Consumer stress is at multi-year highs

Upstart's proprietary Upstart Macro Index tracks consumer credit health across cards, auto, student, and mortgage lending. Default rates across those categories are at their highest levels since before COVID. Girouard ties this to pandemic-era spending habits that never normalized, persistent inflation, and a personal savings rate that is near historic lows. Retailers are seeing same-store sales decline, and consumers are becoming more selective — signals Girouard reads as a belated correction rather than a structural collapse.

Counterintuitively, Girouard frames a mild consumer-led recession as potentially positive for Upstart: a slowdown in spending, a rebuild in savings, and a normalization of credit behavior would improve loan performance across the platform.

Rate outlook and business tailwinds

Girouard does not model rate cuts into Upstart's forward projections, but his personal view is that the federal funds rate is 100 to 200 basis points too high relative to current inflation. He expects rates to move lower over time — not back to 2020 levels, but meaningfully lower — and characterizes that trajectory as a direct tailwind for loan volume and pricing on the platform. The combination of rates normalizing and consumer finances stabilizing represents the scenario Upstart is positioned to capitalize on, having survived the high-rate environment that squeezed the broader fintech lending sector.